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Opening Keynote: Breaking Conway's Law--or How to Work Differently and Not Ship Your Org Chart
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Monday, June 3, 2019 • Enterprise Experience 2019
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Opening Keynote: Breaking Conway's Law--or How to Work Differently and Not Ship Your Org Chart
Speakers: Tatyana Mamut
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Summary

If doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, most enterprise product teams are insane. In today’s world, shipping truly innovative, customer-obsessed experiences means that we must break down silos and collaborate in new ways. In this talk, Head of Product (CPO) at Nextdoor, Tatyana Mamut, PhD–who also led multi-functional product teams at Amazon, Salesforce, and IDEO–draws upon experiences at enterprise companies that managed to break Conway’s Law and ship innovative product experiences by working across silos and functions.

Key Insights

  • Conway's Law means products often unintentionally reflect organizational silos, making collaboration across functions difficult.

  • All internal stakeholders can be right in their perspectives, but without shared customer focus, conflicts arise.

  • Customer obsession must be prioritized over revenue, competitors, technology, or business models to align organizations.

  • Leaders like CPOs and CEOs should spend regular, agenda-free time directly with customers to build empathy.

  • Real customer field research uncovers nuanced needs that proxies like surveys, sales feedback, or fictional personas miss.

  • Fictional personas dilute real customer complexity; using actual customer stories and photos is more effective.

  • Reframing product design around actual customer workflows—e.g., salespeople writing emails and holding meetings—can rapidly improve products.

  • Early, low-fidelity prototyping like sketches encourages honest, democratic feedback from customers.

  • Customer value drivers must dictate prioritization and metrics, as seen at Amazon (price, speed, selection) and Intuit (money, no work, confidence).

  • Aligning OKRs and dashboards to mission-driven customer metrics ensures product teams remain accountable to real user outcomes rather than shareholders alone.

Notable Quotes

"The products that you ship are direct reflections of your organizational processes and communication structures."

"Everyone has a different perspective and partial knowledge, and all are right—but that creates silos."

"Customer obsession instead of competitor obsession or technology obsession must be really clear across teams."

"Having your CEO and CPO spend two days a month in the field with customers without any agenda is critical."

"Sales objections are not customer insights; they serve different purposes and must be treated separately."

"Pipetting at a biology bench gives empathy no survey or photo can provide."

"Don’t make up fictional personas; use real people’s names, photos, and stories to capture real customer complexity."

"Showing sketches to customers early encourages them to redraw and better express their needs."

"If our employees are happy, they will take care of our customers—and shareholders will be just fine."

"Are we truly a customer-first company, or a shareholder-first company? That shows up in what we measure."

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